Posted 2:36 PM by IRS

Let's "Right a Wrong": An Open Challenge to Bill & Jim vs. Bill and Jack....

Date: 2/16/05 4:21:23 PM Central Standard Time
From: FKSmart
To: rmsroll@rmsroller-grinder.com, ComptonJR, Oreilly@foxnews.com, jmarkowitz@tribweb.com
CC: markbrown@suntimes.com, bob@givemeliberty.org
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Dear Gentleman:

On February 11th I issued a challenge to Bill Stegmeier and Jack Markowitz to come forward to discuss/debate the truth behind the Federal Income Tax fraud. To date, Bill and others have stepped forward, willing to chose individuals who are willing to go on the public record for an open-taped debate. Mr. Markowitz has not so much as even responded to my email in any way, shape or form. At least I could count on a response from David Cay Johnston of the New York Times in the past, even though on repeated occasions, he, too, declined to take up this same offer in the past.

Now I am copying this message to our local columnist at the Chicago Suntimes, Mark Brown.

I would like to challenge Bill Stegmeier and Jim Compton - both of whom have written great letters to Jack Markowitz and Bill O'Reilly, respectively, to rally together 3 individual experts to discuss this issue with 3 individuals chosen by Bill O'Reilly from FOX News and Jack Markowitz from the Philadelphia Tribune.

Let's begin the discussion of overhauling our Taxation system by reviewing We The People's upcoming-current ad in the Washington Times which will be exposed to some 100,000+ of their readers during the next few days or so. See review the attached file which contains the copy of the ad which will be going to press soon.

Again, each side in this debate gets to pick-choose 3 individuals to go to bat on this issue.

The medium will be a LIVE - taped - conference call which will be streamed across the internet - possibly uploaded live to satellite radio broadcasting links - and archived for future listening and educational purposes.

Let's let THE TRUTH shine in all of its glory.

Let's take seriously the line from Winston Churchill:

"The truth is incontrovertible......in the end there it is."

As you know I tried for several months to get David Cay Johnston of the New York Times to take up a similar offer. You should remember the dozens of emails between me and David that ended in hushed silence from David.

If just ONE member of the corporate-government controlled media would take up this offer I guarantee that it would help educate millions of Americans about the truth about Taxation in our country.

So what da ya say Bill O'Reilly and Jack Markowitz??!!

Let's get the ball rolling!!

Let's air this story!

And let's do it now!!

We have nothing to lose and everything to gain. For the truth should be celebrated!!

We have the internet/radio facilities plus international satellite uplinks to broadcast this conference call to millions.

I can be reached tollfree at 888-606-9379.

Peace and God Bless,

Fred Smart
Evanston, Illinois

cc: Mark Brown - Chicago Suntimes; Bob Shulz - We The People Foundation

Subj: [People_for_better_government] Let's "Right a Wrong"
Date: 2/16/05 2:04:37 PM Central Standard Time
From: comptonjr@aol.com
Reply-to: People_for_better_government@yahoogroups.com
To: Oreilly@foxnews.com
CC: bob@givemeliberty.org, people_for_better_government@yahoogroups.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Good afternoon, Mr. O’Reilly

I just heard you say on your radio show today that one of your missions is
to “right a wrong.” Well, there has been a wrong going on in this country
for nearly a century, which needs to be corrected. It has to do with the Federal
income tax. Most people believe they owe the tax because its always been
that way.

I'm a retired US Naval Officer, and I'm here to tell you that the greatest
financial fraud in the history of the world has been perpetrated on the
citizens of our country. Unless you read the law and understand it, you will likely
take the word of tax professionals who have not studied the law either. In
fact, they have unknowingly become pawns in the exploitation of our citizens.

Here’s quick and dirty. Per the first amendment, we have the right to
petition our government for redress of grievances. One could say that petition
clause came from the “Declaration of Independence” authored by Thomas
Jefferson. After Jefferson listed 27 grievances the colonists had with King George,
he wrote,

“In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the
most humble terms; our repeated petitions have been answered by repeated
injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a
tyrant, is unfit to be a ruler of a free people.”

“We the People Foundation for Constitutional Education,” chaired by Mr.
Robert Shulz, has petitioned the Federal government with respect to the Federal
income tax, and the government refuses to answer the petitions. Last July
19, 2004, "We the People" filed a “Right to Petition” class action law suit
against the Federal government with the First District Court in DC. (I don't
believe that Fox News covered that event).

Title 26 USC and the regulations thereunder show that most citizens living
and working in the United States do not owe the Federal income tax because
their income is exempt. Individual Income that is not exempt is related to
foreign or international commerce. (See section 861 and the regulations
thereunder.)

Many people believe that the 16th Amendment expanded Congress’s power to tax
incomes; that is, it “permitted” Congress to directly tax incomes without
apportionment. The purpose of the 16th Amendment, according to the Supreme
Court in Brushaber v. Union Pacific (240 U.S. 1), and again in Stanton v. Baltic
Mining (250 U.S. 103) [as well as the regulations in 26 CFR section
39.22(b)-1 (1956), which was long after the 16th Amendment] was to make it clear
that the income tax is, and has always been, an indirect “excise” tax, which
never required “apportionment.”

The Secretary of the Treasury agreed with the court in Treasury Decision
2303.

“The provisions of the sixteenth amendment conferred no new power of
taxation, but simply prohibited [Congress’ original power to tax incomes] from being
taken out of the category of indirect taxation, to which it inherently
belonged, and being placed in the category of direct taxation subject to
apportionment”

Excise taxes, generally speaking, are taxes imposed on certain activities or
privileges. And since Congress has the power to regulate commerce with
foreign nations, they can tax that source of income. Nowhere does Congress have
the power to tax commerce within a state, nor can they tax exports of a
state. So citizens living and working within the United States are not subject to
Federal income taxes because their the source of income is not derived from
foreign or international commerce. Anyone can elect not to pay an "excise" or
indirect tax by not participating in the activity being taxed. If I don't
drive on the highway, I don't pay the excise tax on gasoline.

The devil is in the details. Recommend you or your staff go to
_www.taxableincome.net_ (http://www.taxableincome.net) and click on the word “THIS” under "2005: READ THIS FIRST." Then check out _www.givemeliberty.org_
(http://www.givemeliberty.org) and review the adds placed in the Washington Times this week and the “Right to Petition” class action lawsuit.

Congress, the Executive Branch (Secretary of the Treasury, IRS, and DOJ)
will not answer petitions/questions and are putting citizens in jail without due
process.

If you really mean that your mission is to “right a wrong,” here’s a
horrendous wrong that needs to be corrected. We have the right to petition, and we
have the right to “due process.” Mr. O’Reilly, are you man enough to take
on the system? I hope so. You could do our nation a great service. Or you
could be silent, and eventually “we the people” will, over time, expose the
fraud and injustice to the citizens via the Internet, advertisements, and word
of mouth, so that this fraud will end.

When the government refuses to answer petitions for redress of grievances
and jails those citizens who ask questions without having "due process", then we
have a government of tyranny.


Yours in Liberty,


Jim Compton
396 Myers Road
Boiling Springs, PA 17007
(717) 243-9967

====================

Subj: An open challenge to Bill & Jack.....
Date: 2/11/05 4:04:59 PM Central Standard Time
From: FKSmart
To: rmsroll@rmsroller-grinder.com, jmarkowitz@tribweb.com
BCC: PLANETNEWS, WTPChristian@yahoogroups.com, People_for_better_government@yahoogroups.com, coordinators@us.wtpcongress.us, apfn-1@yahoogroups.com, legality-of-income-tax@yahoogroups.com, CCCC-USA@yahoogroups.com, nite-org@yahoogroups.com,


Subj: IRS Fraud
Date: 2/11/05 11:12:02 AM Central Standard Time
From: rmsroll@rmsroller-grinder.com
To: jmarkowitz@tribweb.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)


An open letter to Mr. Markowitz:

Re: Al Thompson

Mr. Jack Markowitz writes in his column today concerning Al Thompson: "Be angry at the income tax if you will. Urge Congress to reform it if they will. But pay".
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/newssummary/s_302098.html

Seems like sound advice, concerning the price Al Thompson is paying.

The problem is though, if a person of REAL principle (which evidently Mr. Markowitz is not, or he would not have ended his piece with such cowardly gibberish) knows he and his fellow Americans are being de-frauded, would it not be his sacred duty to resist and expose the fraud?

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them" (rebuke, reprimand sharply) Ephesians 5:11

Mr. Markowitz, you're not doing too much "reproving" these days, are you? Or is it that you don't see the fraud that Mr. Thompson, myself, and thousands of others see? Have you even researched what I and others would characterize as "The Great IRS Fraud"? Well, if you are interested, here is a rather painless and even entertaining head start for you: www.861.info Click on "watch it now".

My advice to you Mr. Markowitz, is to learn the truth, then use your column to share the truth. Stand up and oppose tyranny. After all, just what sort of country would you be living in today had not the founding fathers stood up to the tyranny of their day?

So Mr. Markowitz, Al Thompson nor myself nor countless thousands will be taking your advice and lay down to the Great IRS Fraud. To do that would require painful surgery to get rid of that pesky spine.

Instead Mr. Markowitz, we intend to end The Great IRS Fraud. Oh, and by the way, it won't be done by "Urging Congress to reform it if they will". Jees, How lame is that advice?

Also Mr. Markowitz, there is another reason, besides moral integrity, that people like Mr. Thompson don't lay down and roll over to the Great IRS Fraud. We happen to care about my children's future.

"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." -Thomas Paine

It is obvious the forgoing concept is foreign to you Mr. Markowitz, and I am sorry for YOUR children.

Learn the truth Mr. Markowitz. Then share the truth.
Start at www.861.info.


"... If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude [more] than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!" --Samuel Adams... If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!" --Samuel Adams

Sincerely,

Bill Stegmeier

========================

Subj: An open challenge to Bill & Jack.....
Date: 2/11/05 4:04:59 PM Central Standard Time
From: FKSmart
To: rmsroll@rmsroller-grinder.com, jmarkowitz@tribweb.com
BCC: PLANETNEWS, WTPChristian@yahoogroups.com, People_for_better_government@yahoogroups.com, coordinators@us.wtpcongress.us, apfn-1@yahoogroups.com, legality-of-income-tax@yahoogroups.com, CCCC-USA@yahoogroups.com, nite-org@yahoogroups.com,


Bill & Jack:

I would like to challenge you both to discuss this story in an open forum that should include additional members from both sides of this debate.

Each of you can pick-choose 3 individuals to go to bat on this issue.

The medium will be a LIVE - taped - conference call which will be streamed across the internet - possibly uploaded live to satellite radio broadcasting links - and archived for future listening and educational purposes.

Let's let THE TRUTH shine in all of its glory.

Let's take seriously the line from Winston Churchill:

"The truth is incontrovertible......in the end there it is."

As you know I tried for several months to get David Cay Johnston of the New York Times to take up a similar offer. You should remember the dozens of emails between me and David that ended in hushed silence from David.

If just ONE member of the corporate-government controlled media would take up this offer I guarantee that it would help educate millions of Americans about the truth about Taxation in our country.

So what da ya say Bill and Jack??!!

Let's get the ball rolling!!

Let's air this story!

And let's do it now!!

We have nothing to lose and everything to gain. For the truth should be celebrated!!

We have the internet/radio facilities plus international satellite uplinks to broadcast this conference call to millions.

I can be reached tollfree at 888-606-9379.

Peace and God Bless,

Fred Smart
Evanston, Illinois

Posted 2:34 PM by IRS

An open challenge to Bill & Jack.....

Date: 2/11/05 4:04:59 PM Central Standard Time
From: FKSmart
To: rmsroll@rmsroller-grinder.com, jmarkowitz@tribweb.com
BCC:

Bill & Jack:

I would like to challenge you both to discuss this story in an open forum that should include additional members from both sides of this debate.

Each of you can pick-choose 3 individuals to go to bat on this issue.

The medium will be a LIVE - taped - conference call which will be streamed across the internet - possibly uploaded live to satellite radio broadcasting links - and archived for future listening and educational purposes.

Let's let THE TRUTH shine in all of its glory.

Let's take seriously the line from Winston Churchill:

"The truth is incontrovertible......in the end there it is."

As you know I tried for several months to get David Cay Johnston of the New York Times to take up a similar offer. You should remember the dozens of emails between me and David that ended in hushed silence from David.

If just ONE member of the corporate-government controlled media would take up this offer I guarantee that it would help educate millions of Americans about the truth about Taxation in our country.

So what da ya say Bill and Jack??!!

Let's get the ball rolling!!

Let's air this story!

And let's do it now!!

We have nothing to lose and everything to gain. For the truth should be celebrated!!

We have the internet/radio facilities plus international satellite uplinks to broadcast this conference call to millions.

I can be reached tollfree at 888-606-9379.

Peace and God Bless,

Fred Smart
Evanston, Illinois



Subj: IRS Fraud
Date: 2/11/05 11:12:02 AM Central Standard Time
From: rmsroll@rmsroller-grinder.com
To: jmarkowitz@tribweb.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)


An open letter to Mr. Markowitz:

Re: Al Thompson

Mr. Jack Markowitz writes in his column today concerning Al Thompson: "Be angry at the income tax if you will. Urge Congress to reform it if they will. But pay".
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/newssummary/s_302098.html

Seems like sound advice, concerning the price Al Thompson is paying.

The problem is though, if a person of REAL principle (which evidently Mr. Markowitz is not, or he would not have ended his piece with such cowardly gibberish) knows he and his fellow Americans are being de-frauded, would it not be his sacred duty to resist and expose the fraud?

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them" (rebuke, reprimand sharply) Ephesians 5:11

Mr. Markowitz, you're not doing too much "reproving" these days, are you? Or is it that you don't see the fraud that Mr. Thompson, myself, and thousands of others see? Have you even researched what I and others would characterize as "The Great IRS Fraud"? Well, if you are interested, here is a rather painless and even entertaining head start for you: www.861.info Click on "watch it now".

My advice to you Mr. Markowitz, is to learn the truth, then use your column to share the truth. Stand up and oppose tyranny. After all, just what sort of country would you be living in today had not the founding fathers stood up to the tyranny of their day?

So Mr. Markowitz, Al Thompson nor myself nor countless thousands will be taking your advice and lay down to the Great IRS Fraud. To do that would require painful surgery to get rid of that pesky spine.

Instead Mr. Markowitz, we intend to end The Great IRS Fraud. Oh, and by the way, it won't be done by "Urging Congress to reform it if they will". Jees, How lame is that advice?

Also Mr. Markowitz, there is another reason, besides moral integrity, that people like Mr. Thompson don't lay down and roll over to the Great IRS Fraud. We happen to care about my children's future.

"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." -Thomas Paine

It is obvious the forgoing concept is foreign to you Mr. Markowitz, and I am sorry for YOUR children.

Learn the truth Mr. Markowitz. Then share the truth.
Start at www.861.info.


"... If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude [more] than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!" --Samuel Adams... If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!" --Samuel Adams

Sincerely,

Bill Stegmeier

Posted 6:00 PM by IRS

Lynne Meredith update...

Date: 5/3/2004 5:27:15 PM Central Daylight Time
From: execdir@originalintent.org
To: oi-ar@list.qnet.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)


Friends and Supporters,

The jury came back this afternoon and convicted Lynne Meredith of all but
two counts. In other words, she got hit hard. Gayle Bybee was right behind
Lynne, being convicted of nearly all counts against her. Greg Karl, Teresa,
and Willie Watt were also convicted of numerous charges. Betty Erikson was
found not guilty of most of the charges against her, except 3 misdemeanor
counts of Willful Failure To File.

Lynne and Gayle were taken into immediate custody at the request of the
government as high flight risk defendants.

Sentencing is tentatively set for July.

I'm sure more specifics will come out, but this is the first burst of
general information.

Dave Champion
Executive Director
Original Intent

Posted 6:08 PM by IRS

Letter to Dick Simkanin

April 2, 2004


Richard Simkanin
Federal Medical Center
30383-177 Unit Jail
P.O. Box 15330
Fort Worth, Texas 76119-5905


Dear Dick,

It is with a heavy heart that I write to you today. Knowing that you are still being held a Political Prisoner, being punished for having followed GOD's Law. But then as our Lord said: If they persecute ME, they will also persecute you.

Bill is now home with me but not FREE yet. I wonder if we will ever know freedom again. Bill has one year of Supervised Release under U.S. Probation Officer Jeffrey C. Sanderson. The day after Bill came home we meet with Mr. Sanderson at his office. I noticed that even Probation Officers hide behind locked doors for their protection. Is it any wonder that someone would come out of prison angry? How many innocent victims each year are sent to these work camps as slaves? Mr. Sanderson informed me that he would be coming to my home to do an in-home search and if I didn't let him in, he could and would have Bill removed from OUR home and could even send him back to prison.

Mr. Sanderson then went over the conditions of Bill's supervised release. Bill MUST fill out a monthly financial statement listing all household bills, any income, any and all bank accounts, including mine if Bill in any way benefits from it. When I objected, again I was told that Bill could be removed from our home. One thing that I have never been able to abide is threats. Yet that's what I was receiving to my legal objections. When I asked the questions that the Privacy Act tells us to ask every government agency, including the Federal Government, I received the same threats and no answers.

Mr Sanderson and his partner (I don't remember her name and she didn't offer any identification) did in fact show up at our home the following week. Dick, we live in a very modest two bedroom bungalow that Bill paid $40,000 for. It is in need of repairs that we haven't been able to afford because of the IRS. Mr. Sanderson and his partner made a great effort to show their authority by examining every room in this house and the basement. Any piece of paper that was exposed was read, even my calendar was examined to see what was written on it. I was so angry that I brushed past Mr. Sanderson to snatch a piece of paper that his partner was reading and told her it was private. This is when Mr. Sanderson informed Bill that in the future I would have to leave the house when they stop by unannounced because I am such a threat to THEM. After all, I did bump his shoulder. I wonder if Mr. Sanderson or his partner would allow us, the people they rely on to pay their wages and benefits, to inspect their homes? How about if we asked for a financial statement to review if they are living within their means of reported income? I can guarantee you that they will tell us that is private information and non or OUR Business. But they see nothing wrong with doing this to us. This is the type of harassment that we are going to live with for the next year. No wonder the courts, DOJ and Probation Department all must lock themselves inside their offices. I can't imagine working in an environment where I would so willingly invade another's RIGHTS and be able to look myself in the mirror every morning.

I guess we have to face the fact that this is no longer our country Dick. There are so many people who are willing to turn on their neighbor for a paycheck and benefits from the Government. Probation Officers, like the DOJ and IRS depend on us to support them. They don't see it as stealing. I wonder what would happen if they ever had to think for themselves. Come up with an original idea and put it to work. Instead, they simply rely on the rules on some piece of paper that's handed to them and follow orders. They enjoy the power it gives them over others. They just don't see or care it seems, the harm they are causing by not questioning if what they are doing is really legal or not.

When I was in Washington, DC last spring, I was left with the impression of being in Hitler's Germany. Everywhere I looked there were men dressed in black carrying automatic weapons. If our Government needs this kind of protection, maybe they should look at what they are doing. No Dick, this country no longer belongs to the people, it now belongs to a hand full of Bankers who want to destroy every freedom we have. Control every aspect of our life. And anyone who dares to stand up to them, dares to claim their GOD given rights, will end up where you are. It doesn't matter what the LAW really says, we have witnessed how the courts will keep the LAW away from the jury's eyes and condemn you anyway. I looked up the word Pharisee in the Dictionary Dick, here is what it said:

A formal sanctimonious, hypocritical person.

The BIBLE tells me that it was the Pharisee's and Lawyers who condemned JESUS. Is it any different today? Do they not still hide knowledge from the people? And where are the Clergy in this country. Hiding behind their 501 c (3)? Contracting to promote government policy? Living in fear that if they stand up, they will end up where you are? This is a very sad state that our country is in today.

The only thing we have left is our Faith. The knowledge that we will enter the gates of Heaven. I'm not afraid of dying, it's living that scares me more. When I look around me and see the horrible violations of human rights that take place in our once Great Country, and the direction of a One World Government that doesn't include GOD, it makes me afraid. But, as long as these godless judges, like Judge McBryde continue to abuse their authority, we are doomed as a Nation of Laws. As long as Congress sits up on the Hill and allows the IRS, DOJ and the Courts to destroy us, we are doomed. As long as the American People themselves allow this, we are doomed.

I just want you to know that you will never be forgotten. You are a true Christian and Patriot. Stay strong and God Bless you Dick Simkanin.


Rose Lear

Posted 10:58 PM by IRS

Schiff's Tax Honesty

Date: 4/14/2004 9:12:12 PM Pacific Standard Time
Sent from the Internet (Details)


Associated Press story attached. Printed in the Las Vegas Sun Newspaper.
Please correct me if I am wrong: Isn't a judge entering a plea on behalf of
a defendant considered to be practicing law from behind the bench?

April 14, 2004 at 18:51:12 PDT

Anti-tax author appears in Vegas federal court on tax charges
By CHRISTINA ALMEIDA
ASSOCIATED PRESS

LAS VEGAS (AP) - As millions of taxpayers prepared to meet the April 15
filing deadline, an anti-tax author attempted to argue Wednesday in federal
court that no American is required to pay taxes.

Tax opponent Irwin Schiff and two of his associates appeared in U.S.
District Court on charges they helped thousands of taxpayers file bogus
returns.

Schiff told U.S. Magistrate Judge Peggy Leen that he would plead guilty if
federal prosecutors could show a tax requirement exists.

"I will not accept your plea of guilty at this time," Leen said and entered
a plea of not guilty on his behalf.

A 33-count indictment issued last month charges Schiff, Cynthia Neun and
Lawrence Cohen with aiding and assisting in the preparation and filing of
fraudulent tax returns.

Schiff, the 76-year-old author of "The Federal Mafia: How It Illegally
Imposes and Unlawfully Collects Income Taxes," and Cohen, a 63-year-old
employee of Schiff's, also were charged with tax evasion.

Neun, Schiff's 50-year-old girlfriend who helps him conduct seminars, also
was charged with willfully failing to file federal income tax returns,
Social Security disability fraud and theft of government property.

A not guilty plea was entered on Cohen's behalf; Neun's arraignment was
postponed until Friday so she could decide whether to represent herself or
hire a lawyer. All three were released on their recognizance, and a June 21
trial date was scheduled.

In the indictment, prosecutors allege the three were responsible for nearly
5,000 tax returns that fraudulently reported no income. The "zero returns"
included zeros on every line related to income and expenses and often
claimed a full refund of all federal taxes withheld or paid.

After filing the "zero returns," many of Schiff's clients faced Internal
Revenue Service audits and tax collections.

The indictment says Schiff's Freedom Books business generated $3.7 million
from 1997 to 2002. Schiff didn't report any income on federal tax returns
from 1987 to 2002, and placed money in an offshore bank account, according
to the indictment.

Before Wednesday's hearing, Schiff's supporters gathered outside the federal
courthouse. One had a sign reading "April 15 - The Real April Fools' Day,"
while another sign said "Please Don't Feed the Vultures."

Inside, dozens packed the small courtroom, and many were forced to wait
outside the overflowing chambers.

The hourlong hearing was filled with interruptions and objections by Schiff,
who was chastised numerous times by Leen.

"Mr. Schiff, I will take your objection. You will have your opportunity to
have your say, but you will not interrupt," said Leen, pointing her finger
at Schiff.

Outside court Schiff said he will appeal.

"It was a farce," Schiff said. "(The judge) did not let me raise objections
to the indictment. ... There is no law that requires me to pay income
taxes."

Schiff has been a regular visitor in federal court since the IRS raided
Freedom Books in February 2003. He is involved in a handful of civil
proceedings involving the Justice Department's Tax Division. Among them,
government lawyers are seeking an injunction that would bar him from selling
his book and from holding tax seminars.

If convicted of the criminal charges, Schiff faces a maximum sentence of 43
years in prison and $3.25 million in fines. Neun could receive a 51-year
sentence and $3.4 million in fines, while Cohen faces a maximum 27 years and
$1.5 million in fines.

_________________________________________________________________

Posted 2:27 PM by IRS

Audio Blog Interview with Al Thompson and Chuck Uptergrove...

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Posted 2:27 PM by IRS

IRS raids Chuck Uptergrove.....

Date: 4/6/2004 8:29:53 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: FKSmart
To: PLANETNEWS, apfn-1@yahoogroups.com, CCCC-USA@yahoogroups.com, nite-org@yahoogroups.com, WTPChristian@yahoogroups.com, coordinators@us.wtpcongress.us, legality-of-income-tax@yahoogroups.com, People_for_better_government@yahoogroups.com

Folks:

I just got off the phone with Chuck Uptergrove. This story needs to be documented, recorded, archived, transcripted, disseminated, distributed, shared, talked about and shouted from the highest mountaintops of this world.

>>Charles Wayne, Uptergrove
c/o 26663 Road 23
Chowchilla, California [93610]
Phone: 559 665-2020 Cell 559 479-0897>>

Al Thompson - http://www.thompsonnews.blogspot.com/ - has done a wonderful service in initiating this documentation - go to this link and read the story below.

We The People of America have had terrorists operating in our midst under the color of lawful authority for decades. As Al comments:

"This happens all over the country because the people have not paid any attention to what is really wrong with the government and especially the IRS. This is a complete
fraud against the men and women of this country. After seeing these cards, I now realize that the problem has nothing to do with jurisdiction, courts, definitions, 861, and all the things a lot of us have studied. The bottom line is that there is no internal revenue law and
that the IRS is committing a massive fraud against the American people. There just no other way to say this. The local public officials cover all of this up and there appears to be no remedy because the IRS is nothing but a bunch of thugs reminiscent of the brown shirts in Nazi Germany."

I will be doing what I can to blog this story with Chuck, Al and others. We need to do whatever we can to get this story disseminated on radio and internet outlets throughout the world. I'd be happy to help Chuck and Al coordinate this. Please call 888-606-9379 if you'd like to volunteer to help in this process.

Every individual among We The People needs to rally around every one of these cases.

I don't have time to document parts of my phone call with Chuck this morning, but something very interesting stood out when he commented about how fast these "criminal thugs" left his property once family and friends arrived to record and document the proceedings with audio micrphones, phones and and video cameras.

Unlawful-criminal activity cannot survive the power of freedom, liberty and truth which manifests in an environment of transparency and openness. Like the waters of righteousness flowing in a mighty river, the energy, light, truth and love of the Lord God our Almighty Creator thrives, shines and spreads in an environment of openness, freedom and transparency.

So get in the river!!

Please help get the word out about the crimes that have been committed against We The People in the name of Chuck Uptergrove.

And, thanks be to our Almighty God, let's be sure to celebrate the free-flowing waters of Divine Truth and Justice in our world.

Peace and God Bless,

Fred Smart
888-606-9379


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IRS raids Chuck Uptergrove

[PP note] The IRS is getting really nasty! They know
that criminal trials cost too much so they prefer going
straight for the assets. This will probably be a normal
action in the upcoming years. It is best to prepare
yourself before you engage in battle with the morons.
When you have no assets, they can't take blood from a
turnip.
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Everyone (from Al Thompson):

Please take the time to read my article below, posted at
http://www.thompsonnews.blogspot.com

And forward this message to all of the mailing lists you
can find, and
have them pass it along.

We must end the fraud of the IRS now.

Regards,
Al Thompson

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Sunday, April 04, 2004
Posted 10:31 AM by Al Thompson Comment (0)
http://www.thompsonnews.blogspot.com/

Uptergrove Raid: April Fools Day

"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent
hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat
out their substance." Declaration of Independence, 1776

On April 1st, 2004 at approximately 8:03 AM I was on the
phone with Chuck Uptergrove of Ikon Roofing Company (in
California) visiting with him when he told me a bunch of
IRS, CID, US Marshals, and one Sheriff's deputy were
coming on to his property. Included in the raid
was a "revenue officer" Marilyn Collins I.D. # 77-00362
who appears to have instigated this raid on this peaceful
man who has taken a courageous stand against the IRS.

There were six to eight tow trucks lined up and they
confiscated his trucks that he uses for his job. Mind
you, Chuck lives about 12 miles out of any town, and now
he is unable to feed his family as all of his work
equipment is gone. His business and home are on the
property and his home was also ransacked. His front door
was smashed although all of the other doors to the house
were unlocked and open.

There were two men with M-16s guarding the crime scene.
Of course, the IRS was committing the crimes. M-16s are
instruments of war that are not supposed to be used
against peaceful men and women in this country. But it is
the IRS who is making war on the people.

As I was on the phone with him, I heard Chuck strenuously
object to the raid. I heard the "revenue officer" say,
"Do you have $178,000 that you can give me today?" This
alleged debt had been challenged and was being litigated
in a "court of record" in the United States District
Court of which Ms. Collins refused to show up when
summonsed into the court to document and verify the
alleged debt.

The judge, Oliver Wanger refused to honor Chuck's court
of record, which is a proceeding according to the course
of the common law. We believe that this raid is "pay
back" for challenging this alleged debt and that this is
an effort to break the back of Chuck's business
and it is an effort to starve him into compliance. This
is the tactic used by the IRS and their lap dog "courts"
to enforce internal revenue laws that have been repealed
since 1939.

But this gets worse. Upon receiving the business cards
of alleged "internal revenue agents" I have posted here,
we found that none of the seals on the cards matched the
ones authorized by
the government of the United States.authorized seals and
the offices that they attach to. (Please note that this
may take a few minutes to download, so please be patient.
4 minutes on dialup.) To see the "court" papers, you'll
need to download a program from eFax.

Once you do that, you can retrieve the court papers along
with the copies of the business cards of the alleged
"government" officials here. If you look back a few
pages you'll see that the
seals on the business cards do not match those authorized
by the government of the United States. Seals are
important in that they properly identify the agency or
government that they work for and in this case none of
the three cards we retrieved had the proper seals. Why
is that? It is because that these "agents" are not a
part of the government of the United States, but are
instead a bunch of imposters who randomly make up bills o
f "taxes" owed, and then collect them unlawfully and
illegally with no basis in law whatsoever.

This happens all over the country because the people have
not paid any attention to what is really wrong with the
government and especially the IRS. This is a complete
fraud against the men and women of this country. After
seeing these cards, I now realize that the problem has
nothing to do with jurisdiction, courts, definitions,
861, and all the things a lot of us have studied. The
bottom line is that there is no internal revenue law and
that the IRS is committing a massive fraud against the
American people. There just no other way to say this.
The local public officials cover all of this up and there
appears to be no remedy because the IRS is nothing but a
bunch of thugs reminiscent of the brown shirts in Nazi
Germany.

The purpose of this raid is to ruin the business of Chuck
Uptergrove. He has no trucks in which to do his business
as they were confiscated by the thugs. As Chuck lives so
far from town he cannot easily file court papers and he
is now dependent on others for his existence. His
wife is suffering terribly and she has lost her job due
to IRS liens and levies put on her just because she is
married to Chuck. Businesses all over the country are
being destroyed by this kind of intrusion, that
apparently isn't government at all, but nothing more than
an official looking Mafia hit squad.

I can't stress enough the importance of the repeal of the
internal revenue laws and the use of unauthorized seals.
This should be evidence enough that there isn't any law
in the United
States. The alleged government is practicing anarchy and
the laws of the land are being ignored. If this is
allowed to continue, no man or woman will be safe from
the tyranny and the terrorism from people who are
purported to be the keepers of the peace. The problem is
that the terrorists are the people in government who
stand by and watch their friends and neighbors get robbed
by a bunch of people who masquerade as government and are
not.

I'll have more to say on the seals as more evidence comes
in, but it is sufficient to say that these "agents" are
not a part of the United States government in any way,
shape or form. Attorneys, CPAs, enrolled agents, and
many others in the tax preparation industry are
traitors to their own country and they are traitors to
anything that is right or moral. They help to perpetuate
this fraud and they continually ignore the evidence
presented to them.

If you would like to help Chuck in either financial or
moral support you can write him at:

He needs to replace his trucks and put himself and his
men back to work. Any assistance anyone can give would
be most appreciated. Chuck may get mad at me for doing
this, but he has stood up for the truth for himself and
his children. He has taken a courageous stand for the
truth. You can help put this man back to work so that he
can feed his family and be productive again.

Also, please pass this article around using your mailing
lists. This fraud upon the people needs to end now, not
two years, or five years, but it needs to end now.

Charles Wayne, Uptergrove
c/o 26663 Road 23
Chowchilla, California [93610]
Phone: 559 665-2020 Cell 559 479-0897

No law compels a work eligible man or woman to submit a form W-4 or
W-9(or their equivalent) nor disclose an SSN as a condition of being
hired or keeping one's job. With the exception of an order from a court
of competent jurisdiction, no amounts can be lawfully taken from one's
pay (for taxes, fees or other charges) without the worker's explicit,
knowing, voluntary, written consent. (In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C.
Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who
have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for
research and educational purposes.)
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Posted 8:41 PM by IRS

Irwin Schiff to Plead Guilty

Read Irwin's motion to the court indicating his willingness to plead guilty (attached PDF file), also read the press release issued today, and by all means, circulate far and wide! Then listen to Irwin speak about this new revelation on the radio tonight via the internet. See the station info below and sign in early as you have to register in order to listen.

Angela


FOR MORE INFORMATION

Call Irwin Schiff (Freedom Books) 702-385-6920

www.// paynoincometax.com


SCHIFF OFFERS TO PLEAD GUILTY TO ALL CHARGES

WHILE HIS MOTIONS TO DISMISS WILL END THE GOVERNMENT'S ABILITY TO PROSECUTE ANYBODY

FOR ALLEGED INCOME TAX CRIMES

On March 24 a Federal grand jury handed down a 33-count indictment against Irwin Schiff, Cindy Neun, and Larry Cohen. The indictment largely accused them of such alleged income tax crimes as: willfully failing to file income tax returns, knowingly filing false income tax returns, income tax evasion, advising others to file bogus returns, and conspiring to defraud the Government of income tax revenues.

Today Schiff filed four Motions to Dismiss all of these counts claiming that Federal courts do not have jurisdiction to prosecute them for alleged income tax crimes. Schiff also filed a Motion stating that he would plead guilty to all charges if, at the arraignment scheduled for April 14, 2004, the Government produced a statute, which made him "liable" for income taxes. His Motion to plead guilty identified some three statues, which made persons liable for various other Federal taxes. "Let's see if they can produce any such statute in connection with income taxes," said Schiff.

Schiff's motions to dismiss are based on four claims:

1) The Internal Revenue Code contains no grant of criminal jurisdiction, only civil jurisdiction.

2) In order for Federal courts to have jurisdiction with respect to an alleged tax crime, the tax has to be directly "traceable" to the Government's constitutional power to "lay and collect taxes." "However," says Schiff, "The income tax is not traceable to any of those powers."

3) In addition, claims Schiff, all of the charges involving income taxes are based on the assumption that there is a statute making him and others "liable" for income taxes, "But no such statute exists," says Schiff.

And finally, Schiff claims, the court has no jurisdiction "Because it can easily be shown that the indictment was secured on the basis of fraud and is fraudulently worded." Explaining further, Schiff said, "When Congress adopted the 1954 Code, Congress issued congressional reports which specifically stated that 'income' as used in the Internal Revenue Code was used in its '16th Amendment and constitutional sense,' However in all representations to the grand jury and in the wording of the indictment the word 'income' is used in its "ordinary sense," not in its 'constitutional sense.' The difference between the two is explained in my Memorandum of Law, which accompanied my motion.

Within a few days, I will post these Memoranda of Law to my web site, after which I doubt the Government will be able to indict anybody for alleged income tax crimes. These Memoranda will convince even the village idiot that everybody who was ever prosecuted and convicted of an income tax crime was prosecuted and convicted illegally. It will also convince the public that all forcible extractions of money in payment of income taxes were also done illegally. If any fraud has been committed with respect to income taxes, it was perpetrated by the Government against the whole American people. And in illegally extracting the income tax the Government also managed to eliminate almost our entire industrial base - which is why you find so few products now made in America. It's not without reason that my latest book (which the Government is trying to ban) is entitled The Federal Mafia: How the Government Illegally Imposes and Unlawfully Collects Income Taxes.

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Posted 3:44 PM by IRS

Schiff will plead guilty to all the charges if they can show (him) a law

March 24, 2004
Federal jury in Las Vegas indicts anti-tax author Irwin Schiff
By CHRISTINA ALMEIDA
ASSOCIATED PRESS

LAS VEGAS (AP) - A federal grand jury indicted anti-tax author Irwin Schiff and two associates Wednesday, charging them with conspiracy to defraud the United States by helping others file false tax returns.

Schiff, the author of "The Federal Mafia: How It Illegally Imposes and Unlawfully Collects Income Taxes," argues there is no legal requirement to pay income taxes. Government lawyers have been pursuing civil actions that would bar Schiff from selling his book and from holding tax seminars.

"There is no magic way out of paying taxes," said Eileen O'Connor, assistant U.S. attorney general for the tax division in Washington, D.C.

The 33-count indictment issued in Las Vegas charges Schiff, Cynthia Neun and Lawrence Cohen with aiding and assisting in the preparation and filing of fraudulent tax returns.
Schiff and Cohen also were charged with tax evasion. Neun will face additional charges of willfully failing to file federal income tax returns, Social Security disability fraud and theft of government property.

If convicted, Schiff faces a maximum sentence totaling 43 years in prison and $3.25 million in fines. Neun, Schiff's girlfriend who helps him conduct seminars, could receive a 51-year sentence and $3.4 million in fines, and Cohen faces a maximum 27 years and $1.5 million in fines.
"The indictment today reminds us that fulfilling individual tax obligations is a legal requirement and those who willfully evade that responsibility will be prosecuted," said Nancy Jardini, who oversees criminal investigations for the Internal Revenue Service.
Schiff, 76, said he will file a motion to dismiss.

"At my arraignment, I will plead guilty to all the charges if they can show me a law in the code that says persons earning income are liable for income taxes," Schiff said.
Cohen, an employee at Schiff's Freedom Books, said he welcomed a chance to challenge the federal government's tax code.

"I think it's a good opportunity to prove that they're wrong," Cohen said.
In the indictment, federal prosecutors allege Schiff, Neun and Cohen were responsible for nearly 5,000 tax returns that fraudulently reported no income, or "zero returns." Those tax forms included zeros on every line related to income and expenses and often claimed a full refund of all federal taxes withheld or paid.

After filing the "zero returns," many of Schiff's clients faced IRS audits and collection of taxes.
The indictment also alleges Schiff, Neun and Cohen encouraged clients to pay for additional products they offered to help the clients with their IRS problems and also charged them for any assistance with court proceedings or IRS correspondence.

Federal prosecutors said Schiff's business, Freedom Books, generated $3.7 million from 1997 to 2002. Schiff did not report any income on federal income tax returns filed from 1987 to 2002 and hid money in an offshore bank account, according to the indictment.
Schiff, Neun and Cohen were ordered to appear in federal court in Las Vegas on April 14. No arrest warrants were issued.

The Internal Revenue Service raided Freedom Books in February 2003, setting off a series of legal actions that have made Schiff a frequent visitor to federal court. On Tuesday, Schiff appeared before a federal judge in Las Vegas to ask for the return of some 14,000 documents seized in the 2003 raid.

A hearing scheduled Thursday concerns a Justice Department request for an order requiring Schiff to pay $2.5 million in taxes, interest and penalties.

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